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Topic "Olive (1 of 35)" started by Andrew Nugara on Feb-12-2006
Topic "Mt. Olive (1 of 1)" started by Dave Stephens on Apr-26-2004

Topic: Olive (1 of 35)
Author: Andrew Nugara
Date: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:06 AM

Posted a trip report for Mount Olive:

http://free.hostdepartment.com/a/anugara12/olive.htm

Thanks to Raff, Vern, and Jason, for breaking trail and putting up with my slow pace. The three of them also nabbed St. Nicholas � congratulations on completing a marathon day.

Andrew

Topic: Olive (2 of 35)
Author: Vern Dewit
Date: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:19 AM

Excellent pics / report Andrew. Nice and fast too. Of course you don't have 500 pictures to sort through! ;-) It was a fantastic day, my trip report will be up soon.

Vern Dewit
http://www.fresh-oxygen.com

Topic: Olive - A Taste (3 of 35)
Author: Vern Dewit
Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 09:11 AM

I still don't have my trip report done but here's a sample of our fantastic day on the Wapta...

http://www.fresho2.com/vern/picks/pick53.html
http://www.fresho2.com/vern/picks/pick54.html
http://www.fresho2.com/vern/picks/pick55.html
http://www.fresho2.com/vern/picks/pick56.html
http://www.fresho2.com/vern/picks/pick57.html
http://www.fresho2.com/vern/picks/pick58.html
http://www.fresho2.com/vern/picks/pick59.html
http://www.fresho2.com/vern/picks/pick60.html
http://www.fresho2.com/vern/picks/pick61.html

Vern Dewit
http://www.fresh-oxygen.com

Topic: Olive - A Taste (4 of 35)
Author: Andrew Nugara
Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:25 AM

Vern,

Awesome pictures. The clarity and detail of Mount Collie on �A view from the Mount Olive / Mount St. Nicholas col on our way up Mount Olive in early February� (pick 54), is fantastic. I can�t wait to see the whole report.

Andrew

Topic: Olive - A Taste (5 of 35)
Author: Jason Wilcox
Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 03:24 PM

Vern - you're quite the photographer!
Thanks to Raff for organizing the trip and to Vern and Andrew for the great company. Oh, and thanks to VERN (though Andrew's pic is small enough it's hard to tell) for not displaying my half naked body on the internet (yet)! LOL

Best trip for me to date!

Jason

Topic: Olive - A Taste (6 of 35)
Author: Vern Dewit
Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 03:47 PM

Don't worry buddy - that picture will be posted either tonight or tomorrow night! ;-)

Vern Dewit
http://www.fresh-oxygen.com

Topic: Olive (7 of 35)
Author: Vern Dewit
Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:01 PM

I finally got my reports from Saturday up,

http://www.fresho2.com/vern/mountaineering/olive/olive.html
http://www.fresho2.com/vern/mountaineering/nicholas/nicholas.html

Vern Dewit
http://www.fresh-oxygen.com

Topic: Olive (8 of 35)
Author: Frank Nelson
Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:09 PM

Nice pic of Hector, Vern... now I know exactly how I'm going to slog that this summer!

Frank

Topic: Olive (9 of 35)
Author: Mountain Ninja
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 02:03 AM

Awesome pictures and well written trip reports, Vern and Andrew!

Thanks guys for the great company on saturday. It was also one of my best trips ever! We gotta do it again sometime.

My pictures and short reports from last weekend are up.

http://members.shaw.ca/mountainmagic/

Cheers,

Raff

Topic: Olive (10 of 35)
Author: Vern Dewit
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 07:53 AM

Nice pics Raff and thanks again for organizing that outing. Fantastic stuff.

Vern Dewit
http://www.fresh-oxygen.com

Topic: Olive (11 of 35)
Author: Linda Breton
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 07:55 AM

Absolutely amazing pics guys! Congrats to you all. I can see why it was one of your favorite trips - the Wapta area was stunning on such a perfect day, more so than I realized it was. I was particularly amazed by the diminutive size of St Nick once you were on Olive!!

Does anyone know the temperature that day?

Linda Breton
http://scramblesandrambles.150m.com/scrambles.htm

Email: peaksdarkandbright@yahoo.ca

Topic: Olive (12 of 35)
Author: Jason Wilcox
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 08:40 AM

Linda - It felt like 10 degrees at least, and NO wind, though there wasn't much melting going on, so it couldn't have been as warm as it felt. I've only ever taken my shirt off on a summit once before and that was in late July! For some reason I was over-heating big time... maybe it's menopause kicking in early! LOL

Great trip reports Vern. Thanks for making me a "mouse-over" feature... ;)

What's everyone up to for the long weekend?

Jason

Topic: Olive (13 of 35)
Author: Linda Breton
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 09:00 AM

Wow, nice weather. Well that explains the shirtless mystery...I thought maybe you might be working on an Icefields tan. :-)

Question: I have been kind of focused on performance lately, and factors affecting it. Did you feel like you had a lot of energy that day, or were you dragging (ie. all your energy was going into heat production)?

Linda Breton
http://scramblesandrambles.150m.com/scrambles.htm

Email: peaksdarkandbright@yahoo.ca

Topic: Olive (14 of 35)
Author: Dave Stephens
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 09:25 AM

I think Jason just wanted his topless picture to end up making its way to Jessica (one of the Waterton climbers).

As for this weekend, Blair and I are considering various ski mountaineering objectives for Saturday as a day trip. Since I'm only able to get out one day, we want to make it a big day. We're leaning toward Ayesha Patterson or White Pyramid. Still not enough daylight for Coleman, Cirrus, or Wilson. Sunwapta is an option, but we're not leaning that direction for this weekend.


Dave Stephens
www.dave-stephens.com

Topic: Olive (15 of 35)
Author: Andrew Nugara
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:32 AM

Great job, Vern and Raff, on your reports and photos. It was nice to see so many photos on each page and so many terrific ones. Clear weather does make all the difference.

I thought the photos of the St. Nick ascent would reveal the most exposure until I saw the close-up of shirtless Jason � now that�s exposure!!

Can�t wait until next time.

Andrew

Topic: Olive (16 of 35)
Author: Mountain Ninja
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 03:00 PM

Hi Jason,

I am considering a ski ascent up Mt. Patterson this saturday. The weather and the conditions look good. I will let you know before friday what my plans are. Dave, if you decide to do Patterson on saturday, let me know and we`ll try to hook up.

Raff

Topic: Olive (17 of 35)
Author: Dave Stephens
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 03:32 PM

In regard to Patterson, Blair and I are thinking to save it for later this spring when the skiing will be better. It's a really good ski run. We're now deciding between Ayesha and Mistaya. We're leaning toward Mistaya.



Dave Stephens
www.dave-stephens.com

Topic: Olive (18 of 35)
Author: Sonny Bou
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2006 08:43 AM

Fantastic photos, Andrew, Raff and Vern! And congrats to all you guys and Jason for bagging Olive and St. Nicholas. The crux on both peaks certainly looks daunting (of the "what the hell was I thinking" variety).

Sonny

Topic: Olive (19 of 35)
Author: Vern Dewit
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:53 AM

Thanks Sonny!

The beautiful part is that the crux's weren't nearly as bad as they looked. I've done much scarier stuff on scrambles...

Vern Dewit
http://www.fresh-oxygen.com

Topic: Olive (20 of 35)
Author: Troy Rossmann
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:53 AM

Those pics of you guys on St. Nick's ridge made me want to rope up here at work.

Nice job guys.

Troy.
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/trossman/mountains.html

Topic: Olive (21 of 35)
Author: Ken Takabe
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:59 PM

Wow ! Those are some awesome photographs !!!

Are you using that new digital SLR you mentioned before ? (Nikon D70 was it ?)

Are you using a polarizing filter as well ?

Those pictures are spectacular !

Topic: Olive (22 of 35)
Author: Vern Dewit
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2006 02:26 PM

Not sure who you're talking to here Ken, but since I got a new camera I'll respond!

I'm using the Canon Powershot Pro1 now, which is a prosumer camera, basically one step below a digital SLR in quality but also smaller and lighter. It has a fantastic 70-200mm (equiv.) lens on it. The view helped make our pictures so nice - on a day like that it's hard to take bad ones! ;-)

Vern Dewit
http://www.fresh-oxygen.com

Topic: Olive (23 of 35)
Author: Ken Takabe
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2006 02:42 PM

Thanks Vern, I was inquiring about the photos you took.

Those images were really amazing. Makes the ones off my Olympus 740 look pale in comparison. I love the zoom on the Olympus but it's a fairly bulky camera. I figure I'm going to carry something that bulky, it better take excellent pictures as well.

I'm looking at some used SLR's but that's quite a big step up in terms of weight, bulkiness and price. Maybe I'll check out a prosumer camera instead...


Topic: Olive (24 of 35)
Author: Vern Dewit
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2006 06:54 PM

Yeah - I was in the same dilemma. I wanted a good camera like an SLR but they're very big and to get an equivalent 28-200mm lens you need to spend about $3000 right now. (two good lens + camera + batteries + storage)

I would suggest waiting till PMA 2006 (in a few weeks, check out http://www.dpreview.com for details) where all the major new cameras will be announced. It's expected that there may be an upgrade to the Pro1 announced there. Of course I got my Pro1 for around 650 bucks on EBay and the originals were over 1200 bucks when they first came out... ;-)

Vern Dewit
http://www.fresh-oxygen.com

Topic: Olive - Labelled Panorama (25 of 35)
Author: Vern Dewit
Date: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:57 AM

Ok - So I have too much time on my hands! I uploaded a labelled version of my panorama and I need your help to make it accurate / better.

I know I mislabelled some of the mountains so feel free to point out which ones. I think I got Hungabee and Victoria wrong for sure but there are probably others (Forbes?)

If you're really keen, help me identify others - I wasn't sure if Observation Peak, Cirque, Mount Weed were visible or which ones they were. I labelled a lot of the mountains from the 13 page panorama that Gillean Daffern took in the "Ski Trails in the Canadian Rockies", that Chic Scott wrote - the only thing is that her picture was from Mount Gordon so it was a different angle.

Once I feel it's reasonably accurate I want to get it printed somewhere.

Click Here For Image

Vern Dewit
http://www.fresh-oxygen.com

Topic: Olive - Labelled Panorama (26 of 35)
Author: Rod Plasman
Date: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:04 PM

Vern:

Most look right, the only one that you had not identified as wrong is the group labelled the Freshfields. These are actually Mt Mummery, the Freshfields are to the right and further back of the Mummerys.

Cheers
Rod Plasman

Topic: Olive - Labelled Panorama (27 of 35)
Author: Dave Stephens
Date: Friday, February 17, 2006 02:05 PM

I have always considered Mt. Mummery to be part of the Freshfields. The Mummery Glacier is the logical approach to the Freshfields from the Blaeberry (going between Nanga Parbat and Gilgit Mtn).

The Mummery Group consists of Mt. Mummery plus three unnamed peaks. I consider the Mummery Group to be a sub-group of the Freshfields... same as the Conway Group and the Barnard Group.

Mt. Mummery itself is behind Collie (unseen). What you've pointed at is the northern most unnamed peak of the Mummery subgroup.

I think the peak just left of your Freshfields arrow is Mt. Barnard, but it would be 8km or so behind the peak just right of your arrow.

Vern - Just so you know, the Freshfields are a collection of about 14 peaks.... kind of like the Wapta but a little bit bigger.

As for other mountains, the peak under "Rhondda" in your Mt. Rhondda label is Mt. Baker.

The peak between Rhondda and Baker is Mt. Habel (more commonly referred to as "North Rhondda").

The "slope" between you and Crowfoot Mtn (a bit to the left) is Vulture Peak.

The peak below the "Mount" in your "Mount Thompson" label is Mt. Chephren. (I think). It might also be Barbette.



Dave Stephens
www.dave-stephens.com

Topic: Olive - Labelled Panorama (28 of 35)
Author: Rod Plasman
Date: Friday, February 17, 2006 02:59 PM

Dave:

If you take the topos of the area and draw a line from Mt Olive to Mt Mummery, the line will pass between Mt Collie and Mt Ayesha. The double summitted peak in Vern's photo is between these two. I must admit I am cheating, I am using the etopo software which combines sheets and draws nice straight lines.

If you ever have the opportunity to view these peaks from the Campbell Icefield area, you will probably agree that these are separate groups as indicated on the maps. The Campbell Icefield area is highly recommended for skiing by the way.

Cheers
Rod Plasman

Topic: Olive - Labelled Panorama (29 of 35)
Author: Sonny Bou
Date: Friday, February 17, 2006 01:27 PM

Vern, Mount Kerr should be the rather non-distinctive, lower peak to the right of the one you pointed at. Maybe you should go back and climb it again just to be sure! :-)

Sonny

Topic: Olive - Labelled Panorama (30 of 35)
Author: Vern Dewit
Date: Friday, February 17, 2006 05:21 PM

Lol - nice try Sonny! I've already climbed that darn mountain TWICE! ;-)

Vern Dewit
http://www.fresh-oxygen.com

Topic: Olive - Labelled Panorama (31 of 35)
Author: Linda Breton
Date: Friday, February 17, 2006 06:39 PM

You know it's odd...the distinctive unnamed peak beside Kerr has a summit register (and monster sized cairn), while we did not find one on Kerr. What's up with that??

PS. Awesome pano Vern. Awesome.

Linda Breton
http://scramblesandrambles.150m.com/scrambles.htm

Email: peaksdarkandbright@yahoo.ca

Topic: Olive - Labelled Panorama (32 of 35)
Author: Andrew Nugara
Date: Friday, February 17, 2006 07:18 PM

Awesome panorama, Vern! It doesn�t get any clearer than that. Well done.

I believe the mountain you have labeled Hungabee is the North summit of Victoria - it looks very similar in shape to the pics we have of the north face of Victoria on our Narao page. The one labeled Victoria could be the south summit of Victoria, Hungabee, or Deltaform � I�m not sure which one (I wouldn�t stake my reputation on any of this!).

Andrew

Topic: Olive - Labelled Panorama (33 of 35)
Author: Rod Plasman
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2006 07:59 AM

Vern:

This is a wonderful panorama. If you have a higher res version of it, zoom in and look at the peaks on the southern horizon. You will be able to make out the Bugaboos. You can also pick out Mt Sir Donald on the horizon, even on the web version. The day you had up on the summit would have been one where you could have had a serious round of name that peak!

Cheers
Rod Plasman

Topic: Olive - Labelled Panorama (34 of 35)
Author: Vern Dewit
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2006 07:13 PM

Thanks everyone! I must have got a lot of the peaks right or I know there would have been more comments! ;-) This panorama is made from about 15 8 megapixel images so I'm sure there's a lot of details I could get out of the fullsize one!

Vern Dewit
http://www.fresh-oxygen.com

Topic: Olive - Labelled Panorama (35 of 35)
Author: Bill Kerr
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2006 08:20 PM

Wow - I go off to mexico for a while and there is over 100 messages on the board. Great job on Olive and St. Nick guys and some excellent pics. The weather obviously could not have been better. Vern's camera and photography skills combined with the higher res pictures make everything look awesome. On your Panorama - the lefroy, hungabee,victoria doesn't look right but not sure. Victoria S is probably what is labelled Hungabee and Hungabee is the sharp peak labelled victoria with vic north in front. Lefroy looks too wide but may have part of deltaform behind it. Assinaboine must be behind them or balfor. The three Goodsirs stand out and the pyramid peak to left of Gordon should be sir donald at rogers pass. Not sure that is forbes which should be farther to north and lots of peaks to name in that direction. Great picture.

Topic: Mt. Olive (1 of 1)
Author: Dave Stephens
Date: Monday, April 26, 2004 12:23 PM

On Saturday, 24 April 2004, Blair Piggot and I ascended Mt. Olive (both summits) under increasingly unfavourable weather. It was actually a very relaxing day. We slept in a bit, got a late start, fairly easy travelling conditions, etc. Despite the lack of visibility and the moderately high winds, it was a pretty nice day.

We both left Strathmore at 0500, drove through Calgary, Canmore, Banff, and made our first stop in Lake Louise where we consumed lots of calories, carbs and caffeine. We then continued up to Bow Lake, geared up, and took off. We left the car at 0855 (told you it was a late start) and headed out across the lake. Finally... a solid lake crossing.

The back of the lake has a lack of snow and ice requiring some funky navigation around the various rocks. On the way up, we had skins to protect the skis, but on the way out, this was a problem.

Coming out of the canyon, heading toward the Vulture Glacier, there was a lack of snow. Just before the turn-off for Crowfoot Mtn, you had to take your skis off.

As we got closer to the Bow Hut, we noticed a huge chunk of the Vulture Glacier was missing. Maybe it's just more noticable with the lack of snow, but neither of us remember seeing that in the past. I'm having a problem finding a picture of the Vulture Glacier from a few years ago, but I'll post my picture here from this past weekend and see if other people think this chunk is recently missing or if it's always been like that.

Anyway, Blair and I stopped at the hut for no particular reason. It just seemed like a nice time to take a 5 minute break. We went inside and instantly noticed the recent renovations. The sleeping area is now one huge room with a wood-burning stove for heat. I'm not too fond of this change because I've always liked how the Bow Hut had three sleeping rooms and the temperature was nice and cold at night. Now, you have an increased risk of hearing a snoring person in the middle of the night, and somebody will inevitably get cold and want a fire all night long. The hallway is really nice and the bathrooms are incredible. You no longer have to go outside to go pee in the middle of the night. Overall, I think the renovations were nicely done.

So, after a tour of the hut, we pressed on. We ascended the headwall above the hut, circling St. Nick to the north and west. trailbreaking was about two inches at the most. We made our way to the Olive/St. Nick col, and started up the slopes of Olive. The snow was much deeper on the lee side of the col. We continued about 50 yards up the ridge before ditching our skis and continuing on foot.

By now, the visibility was getting worse. It wasn't a whiteout, but cloud cover at the 9000 ft level kept us from seeing much. It was pretty windy too. We proceeded up to the first summit, paused for about two minutes, then continued over to the true (south) summit. 5:50 from car to south summit (including our tour of the hut). We stood there for about 15 minutes (Blair tried to find the register (unsuccessful)), and we started back to the first summit. It appeared that you could ski down the slope between the two summits. Had we known this, we might have brought our skis with us. Maybe next time.

We hiked back to the first summit (big cornices between the two summits), then back to the skis. We waisted no time in putting on the skis and starting our ski run back to the hut. Within minutes, we were on our way, skiing around St. Nick the same way we came up. Skiing down the headwall above the hut was moderate. Lots of windpack with pockets of powder. I've certainly had better runs, but the closer you got to the hut, the better the skiing became.

We stopped briefly at the hut, but quickly decided that neither of us needed to go in, so we just continued on. 1:45 after leaving the south summit of Olive, we were back at the car.

We then packed up and headed down to Laggans for more calories, carbs and caffeine. After that brief stop, we drove back to Strathmore where my wife had prepared a good dinner of curry noodles and marinaded pork tenderlion, followed by a big slice of Mississippi Mud pie. Of course, on the full stomach, Blair had to drive the extra two hours to Lethbridge. I wonder how many more cups of coffee he needed to get home.

Overall, it was a good trip. The Wapta didn't show any signs of crevasses (including the ones typically seen near St. Nick). The route coming out of the canyon needs more snow, and the back of the lake could use some as well. I did notice that on Olive's NE side (where we ditched our skis), the 'schrund is starting to show through.



Dave Stephens
www.dave-stephens.com